Michael Marshall and Cecil Cicirello break down Joe's November 2025 interview with Gavin de Becker.
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Retroviruses as Carcinogens and Pathogens: Expectations and Reality1 | Cancer Research - https://aacrjournals.org/cancerres/article/47/5/1199/492213/Retroviruses-as-Carcinogens-and-Pathogens
Newer, more sensitive HIV antibody tests producing false-positive results in uninfected infants | aidsmap - https://www.aidsmap.com/news/may-2007/newer-more-sensitive-hiv-antibody-tests-producing-false-positive-results-uninfected
Can newborn infants with positive HIV soon after birth be diagnosed with intrauterine infection? - ScienceDirect - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1876034123002836
The Evidence That HIV Causes AIDS | National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease - https://web.archive.org/web/20100407225045/http://www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/HIVAIDS/Understanding/howHIVCausesAIDS/pages/hivcausesaids.aspx
Reviewing RFK Jr.'s bad book on Fauci - Chapter 4 | Dan Wilson - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O2v0nnriyk
AIDS Drug AZT: How It Got Approved 30 Years Ago | TIME - https://time.com/4705809/first-aids-drug-azt/
Zidovudine - Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zidovudine#Side_effects
NIAID: Understanding AZT and AIDS | AIDSTruth.org - https://www.aidstruth.org/science/NIAIDAZTandAIDS/
Fact Sheet: Correcting the Record on HIV/AIDS Misinformation Online | GLAAD - https://glaad.org/fact-check-correcting-the-record-on-hiv-aids-misinformation-online/
The AIDS Epidemic in the United States, 1981-early 1990s | David J. Sencer CDC Museum - https://www.cdc.gov/museum/online/story-of-cdc/aids/index.html#:~:text=CDC%20Investigates,to%20screen%20the%20blood%20supply
Undetectable = Untransmittable - Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undetectable_%3D_Untransmittable
HIV Denial in the Internet Era - PMC - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1949841/
HIV/AIDS denialism - Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_denialism
“HIV Does Not Cause AIDS”: A Journey into AIDS Denialism - https://academic.oup.com/mit-press-scholarship-online/book/33418/chapter-abstract/287512477
No, AZT hasn't caused hundreds of thousands of deaths | Fact check - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/06/22/no-azt-hasnt-caused-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths-fact-check/70321406007/
Why Are Gay Men At Higher Risk for Getting HIV? - https://www.verywellhealth.com/why-do-gay-men-have-an-increased-risk-of-hiv-3132782
HIV now infects more heterosexual people than gay or bisexual men – we need a new strategy | Ian Green | The Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/09/hiv-infects-heterosexual-gay-bisexual-men-uk-testing-virus
Mother In Middle Of HIV Medication Fight Dies - CBS Minnesota - https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/family-at-the-center-of-battle-over-hiv-positive-infant-speaks-out/
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Chapter 16: Tetanus | Manual for the Surveillance of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases | CDC - https://www.cdc.gov/surv-manual/php/table-of-contents/chapter-16-tetanus.html
History of polio - Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_polio
Majority of mumps cases are among the vaccinated, CDC finds - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/majority-mumps-cases-are-vaccinated-cdc-finds-rcna6482
Measles is making a comeback: Can we stop it? - Harvard Health - https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/measles-is-making-a-comeback-can-we-stop-it-202503063091
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